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	<title>Comments on: The Middle Sister</title>
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		<title>by: Barry</title>
		<link>http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/723#comment-2043</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:20:53 -0500</pubDate>
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					<description>What makes a child turn out so vastly different in philosophy, temperament, attitudes, etc than her siblings or parents?  I always wonder how that happens.  Is it a middle-child/Jan Brady thing, where growing up they become jealous of the favorite older sister and cute younger sister?

I also wonder how it is parents don't see this coming at a young age, and why they are unable (or unwilling) to do something to arrest it while it's still formative.  Maybe there was nothing anyone could have done in Clancy's family.  Maybe it just happens.  Who knows.

I just know I worry about things like that with my kids sometimes - I'm so close to them, and they are to me..I can't imagine one of them growing up someday and having values and ideas so vastly different than my own that they would choose to separate themselves so completely from the family (at least for a time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What makes a child turn out so vastly different in philosophy, temperament, attitudes, etc than her siblings or parents?  I always wonder how that happens.  Is it a middle-child/Jan Brady thing, where growing up they become jealous of the favorite older sister and cute younger sister?</p>
	<p>I also wonder how it is parents don&#8217;t see this coming at a young age, and why they are unable (or unwilling) to do something to arrest it while it&#8217;s still formative.  Maybe there was nothing anyone could have done in Clancy&#8217;s family.  Maybe it just happens.  Who knows.</p>
	<p>I just know I worry about things like that with my kids sometimes - I&#8217;m so close to them, and they are to me..I can&#8217;t imagine one of them growing up someday and having values and ideas so vastly different than my own that they would choose to separate themselves so completely from the family (at least for a time).
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		<title>by: trumwill</title>
		<link>http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/723#comment-2044</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:00:14 -0500</pubDate>
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					<description>Not to get all freudian, but Clancy and Ellie (and to a lesser extent Zoey) had a well-meaning but often very difficult father growing up and a lot of their personalities seem to have been formed in part as a reaction to that. As hard as it is for me to believe about my very outspoken wife, for the longest time Clancy quiet, passive, and reluctantly obedient. Ellie's reaction was much more confrontational in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/356&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Goddardesque&lt;/a&gt; sort of way. Further complicating things is that they both temperamentally take after the rigid father they were so frequently butting heads with. The ambition and discipline made them a doctor and lawyer respectively, which is impressive, but both have to work to temper their instincts (I have to do the same regarding the traits I picked up from my mother). Zoey dealt with a much more laid back father and got more of her traits from her mother, so she sidestepped a lot of the problems that plagued Clancy and Ellie in adolescence and beyond.

To answer your question -- or fail to answer it, actually -- it's hard to say what causes it. There's often not as clear an explanation as there is in the Himmelreich family, like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/285&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Collins family&lt;/a&gt; I've posted on before producing two wayward children (but then there may have been things about that family that I didn't know) that seemed perfectly normal until high school.

On a micro-issue, I think that one important thing is to live the values you preach. If you want your kids to understand the importance of family, do everything you can to produce a family life that your kids would want to replicate. If you want them to grow up Christian, introduce them into Christian communities that they will want to be a part of. It's all absurdly easier said than done, of course, but it does seem that a disproportionate number of rebellious kids from involved parents take the attitude &quot;You don't have to like it, you don't have to understand it, you just have to do it&quot; that is ripe for contradiction in high school, college, and beyond. Granted my parents had a lot of rules and such I disagreed with and/or didn't understand, but as the saying goes your parents get smarter as you grow up and you start finding out that they often really did know what they were talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not to get all freudian, but Clancy and Ellie (and to a lesser extent Zoey) had a well-meaning but often very difficult father growing up and a lot of their personalities seem to have been formed in part as a reaction to that. As hard as it is for me to believe about my very outspoken wife, for the longest time Clancy quiet, passive, and reluctantly obedient. Ellie&#8217;s reaction was much more confrontational in a <a href="http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/356" rel="nofollow">Goddardesque</a> sort of way. Further complicating things is that they both temperamentally take after the rigid father they were so frequently butting heads with. The ambition and discipline made them a doctor and lawyer respectively, which is impressive, but both have to work to temper their instincts (I have to do the same regarding the traits I picked up from my mother). Zoey dealt with a much more laid back father and got more of her traits from her mother, so she sidestepped a lot of the problems that plagued Clancy and Ellie in adolescence and beyond.</p>
	<p>To answer your question &#8212; or fail to answer it, actually &#8212; it&#8217;s hard to say what causes it. There&#8217;s often not as clear an explanation as there is in the Himmelreich family, like the <a href="http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/285" rel="nofollow">Collins family</a> I&#8217;ve posted on before producing two wayward children (but then there may have been things about that family that I didn&#8217;t know) that seemed perfectly normal until high school.</p>
	<p>On a micro-issue, I think that one important thing is to live the values you preach. If you want your kids to understand the importance of family, do everything you can to produce a family life that your kids would want to replicate. If you want them to grow up Christian, introduce them into Christian communities that they will want to be a part of. It&#8217;s all absurdly easier said than done, of course, but it does seem that a disproportionate number of rebellious kids from involved parents take the attitude &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to like it, you don&#8217;t have to understand it, you just have to do it&#8221; that is ripe for contradiction in high school, college, and beyond. Granted my parents had a lot of rules and such I disagreed with and/or didn&#8217;t understand, but as the saying goes your parents get smarter as you grow up and you start finding out that they often really did know what they were talking about.
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		<title>by: Spungen</title>
		<link>http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/723#comment-2049</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:08:15 -0500</pubDate>
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					<description>I was really going to let loose on this rigid, self-righteous little snot, until I got to the end.  It was kind of a cheat, because you worked me up to a froth then got all nice about her. ;)  (grumble) OK, I guess people can change.  Good to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was really going to let loose on this rigid, self-righteous little snot, until I got to the end.  It was kind of a cheat, because you worked me up to a froth then got all nice about her. <img src='http://hitcoffee.net/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   (grumble) OK, I guess people can change.  Good to know.
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